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Post by timmy on Nov 23, 2015 3:24:29 GMT
From working on presentation, I found many quotes in the Bible and Quran that promoted immoral actions. First, Christianity: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."
Then Islam: "Then, when the sacred months have puncooled, slay the idolaters(non-Muslims) wherever you find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush"
Christianity promotes slavery, and Islam promotes violence in these quotes. What do you guys think? Can religion be used to justify those actions? |
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Post by maysamyounis on Nov 27, 2015 14:22:20 GMT
I Disagree with you, because I believed all religion are invite for peace. non of religion invite for violence our slaves and also , when talking about islam religion and we bring this quotes you think this is talking about violence. but that is not truth because each quotes in koran have story and have deep meaning. also this quotes talks about the specific story. this quotes have long story. And also in can give evidence that koran is religion of peace and invite for peace no violence . also to make your point more clearly there is quotes in koran talks about violence but nerver say go to violence . here is one (Fight in the cause of God those who fight you not transgress Allah loveth not aggressors). I think we are have to read and searcher and understander people and religion by different perspective.
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Post by jonah21 on Nov 28, 2015 5:48:12 GMT
First, I'm sorry if this comes out negatively attacking you, Jae, but I need to clarify things. You do realize that this doesn't represent EVERYTHING in the Bible or Quran right? Just because of a single quote from either of them doesn't mean that it can be used as a way to justify actions of slavery or violence. You aren't looking at the bigger picture. Several groups, such as the Westboro Baptist Church, use the Bible like that, by taking only a few quotes, to justify why they are right. They aren't looking at the bigger picture. Also, take into consideration how, like Maysam said, these quotes fall into a story. They are part of a story, not just a quote by themselves. It's all up to the reader's interpretation. I would have to say that if you think that the Bible promotes slavery or the Quran promotes violence, you should actually read the entire puncoolage where those two quotes came from and not just that.
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Post by andrewcho77 on Nov 28, 2015 17:11:11 GMT
Jae don't just judge the religion by one sentence. That's is like judging one person and judging everybody. For example, if an African American robbed a store and you would be like OMG African Americans always rob things. So don't judge one sentence and say this promotes violence and slavery. There are so many meanings if you look at the bigger picture. I think it is better to understand a religion if you actually read everything on the Bible or Quran to understand the sentence you typed up.
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Post by juliaj on Nov 29, 2015 5:45:03 GMT
I don't agree with you Jae. I read an article regarding what you said (http://www.vox.com/2015/11/14/9735806/islam-isis-violent), and though I can see why you might think that I do not think that religion of any kind promotes any one kind of act. The difference between religion is each person's interpretation of the divine or lack of , and as a result, each person interprets it differently. Because of this, there are splits within the same religion, and no one group can represent the whole. Also, you give verses from the Bible and the Quran, but there are also many many verses that speak of love and kindness. Also, we have to consider that a lot of he time, each single verse isn't meant to be taken literally, especially as our society changes too.
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Post by christopher on Nov 29, 2015 7:29:02 GMT
you have to know that all religion emphasizes peace. Don't judge anything by just one quote or sentences. One sentence do not represent a whole book. Also, know the concept around that sentence. Specifically for the quote you wrote here, it is not promoting slavery. It is basically saying to the people that they should serve others. Not only when others are looking or to win favor, but with sincerity, just as one would serve Christ (Know that versions may vary, but it is the same concept). Don't judge a religion just by looking at one sentence. Though I understand that people's interpretations would differ, but I really think we should not puncool out judgement and promote a rather negative reputation of a religion.
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Post by graceyichen on Nov 29, 2015 9:50:38 GMT
I also thought the same thing when I did research on religious texts! But I guess that's because we both have no religion Jae. haha.
I was shocked with some quotes about "discipling your son" I was trying to argue against discipline, because that could be interpreted in a negative way, for example the pastor may have told the parents, the only way to teach their children is to poor acid down their throats so the devil comes out. But I couldn't find any that, on the surface, preached love. Everything was about, listening to your parents, disciplining strictly so they learn...stuff like that.
Because I'm not religious, I knew that these quotes must have been taken out of context because like Christopher said, religion is all about peace. But it also made me more aware of why manipulation and arguments would have been inevitable because of the many ways you can interpret a single sentence.
I think whenever we learn something, we need to learn the whole story. Because partial knowledge is what leads to ignorance.
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Post by Jooyoung on Nov 29, 2015 10:18:35 GMT
That is actually quite interesting!!!  and I quite agree with you and Grace that some lines in religious text are indeed questionable. However, that all depends on the interpretation. For example, if we were to translate the two sentences that Jae mentioned literally, it does seem as if Christianity promote slavery and Islam promote violence. However, as many other of you mentioned, it can be interpreted in different ways. Furthermore, we must also realized that the religious texts are written very long time ago. Their culture and moral standard was very different from ours. |
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Post by riyadh on Nov 29, 2015 11:41:07 GMT
in religions we do have things that we should be fear of . and we can use the sins as an example . no one want to make sins because they afraid of going to hall. in every religion do have different texts and diffrient ways to say and show that too .. plus you believes too it does connect with the texts ..
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Post by toomuchchanmin on Nov 29, 2015 12:34:33 GMT
The Bible is full of contradictions: sciencebasedlife.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/biblecontradictions-reasonproject.pngEven though I am a Christian, I know that the Bible is not perfect. Everything Jesus teaches in the New Testament almost contradicts everything from the Old Testament. He says: "You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also." The eye quote is a verse from the Old Testament, and he is making changes. I think the reason why contradictions and error happen in the bible is because in the end, a human wrote the book in the human language. What's important is the point of the bible, not following everything it says word by word. |
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Post by mayurika98 on Nov 29, 2015 13:09:03 GMT
I don't think religion is made to promote peace or war because religions give people hope. Religion does restrain us to some extent but do we really act out of the things that religion says. I feel like the beliefs in religion as just suggestions and many people in the world choose not to follow those rules. Human nature does not change so as time puncooles from the times the religion was first created people still evolve according to the same scripts. This doesn't change the way we act throughout history. Humans will always want more which will lead to greater things.
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Post by jin794 on Nov 29, 2015 13:44:08 GMT
I do believe that it is not a good idea to judge anything by one quote or sentences. There might be other significant meaning beyond the message. For example, person who knows in depth about Christianity can interpret Bible differently from person who lacks in knowledge about Christianity. It depends on how much you really know about a certain religion. I personally think religion really depends on different perspectives and set of beliefs.
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Post by sunnyp on Nov 29, 2015 13:55:31 GMT
I also thought those were flaws in the bible and Quran. After reading all the arguments, I guess those lines are things that were meant to change as society evolves and or were meant differently. To answer your question, I don't think can religion can justify actions because within the religion, there are lines that contradict it. For example, theres a line for violence in quran but there is also another line that goes against violence so religion cannot be used to justify those actions.
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Post by toufiq on Nov 29, 2015 14:31:42 GMT
Quite interesting comments all around. This a topic which is bothering me too. I'm just clarifying that I'm a Muslim and whatever I'm gonna say now is totally my personal opinion, not trying to establish any ideas. But I sort of agree with Jae's argument. There are some things in my religion which seems irrational and illogical. I tried to argue about them with others a lot of time but couldn't come up with an conclusion which is satisfying to me. But still the core message from every religion is peace. So I think we should focus on that more rather than thinking about the illogical parts.
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Post by anniee on Dec 6, 2015 4:06:37 GMT
As others have mentioned, the Bible and Quran shouldn't be interpreted on those specific quotes. Yes, there are many contradictions in these pieces of literature, but what we as readers have to focus on is the overall message of the work. When we think of the Bible or Quran, we don't consider them as the representative literature for slavery and violence. It is when people focus on these insignificant quotes that they cause immoral actions for "religious reasons", when really, the books would never support such deeds as a part of the religion. Furthermore, these books were written centuries ago, so the people who wrote down the stories may have been proponents of violence and slavery who decided to add small phrases here and there that showed their values. We should respect their cultural values at the time, but from being from the modern 21st century, with our advanced education, we should know better than to take every word literally in the Bible or Quran, for these are often illegal within our society today.
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and I quite agree with you and Grace that some lines in religious text are indeed questionable. However, that all depends on the interpretation. For example, if we were to translate the two sentences that Jae mentioned literally, it does seem as if Christianity promote slavery and Islam promote violence. However, as many other of you mentioned, it can be interpreted in different ways. Furthermore, we must also realized that the religious texts are written very long time ago. Their culture and moral standard was very different from ours. 
