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Post by maysamyounis on Jan 23, 2016 9:14:02 GMT
So in cluncool, we were arguing if the ghost of Hamlet's father is really his father... Do you think it's really his father or just a supernatural figure that causes Hamlet to go all psycho? I think It's just some demonic figure that pretends to be his father so it could purposely create all the mess in the story but. that's just what I think.
what do you GUYS ? a bout character ghost in story?
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Post by Emily on Jan 23, 2016 15:30:07 GMT
I never thought that the ghost was actually not his father, since from the beginning of the story all the soldiers recognized and uncoolumed the ghost to be Hamlet's father. But I think that would be unlikely because we will find later that what his ghostly father said was true (that he was murdered by Claudius) when Claudius goes to the altar to pray to God and Hamlet decides not to kill him yet because he doesn't want him to die and go to heaven. Revenge was probably a huge thing back then, with many stories and takes about family feuds lasting for generations because of revenge, so Hamlet's father probably really wanted revenge for his murder and decided to recruit his son to help him get revenge.
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Post by Tharu on Jan 24, 2016 2:22:46 GMT
I think it mostly depends on what kind of believes you have on ghosts. I think that it is hamlet's real father's ghost, but some might not. I think that Hamlet's father's ghost came to get revenge on Claudius, because he killed him. As for my religion (Buddhism) ghosts cannot do anything they just come to us for help, for an example if they are in the purgatory they try to come to us and ask for our help to get rid of their sins, so same thing on the King Hamlet. He is making more sins by manipulating his own son to get revenge from Claudius.
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Post by jonah21 on Jan 24, 2016 8:36:48 GMT
To be honest, when reading the last few lines of Scene 4, I thought that Hamlet was already going crazy. He seemed desperate just to see a ghost that may or may not have been his father. I think that the ghost was Hamlet's father. Being so, it would allow the story to progress. It would also give Hamlet more solid persuasion to believe what the ghost says. If it was a different ghost, then Hamlet may have just ignored it.
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Post by heesu on Jan 24, 2016 9:18:41 GMT
I think the character ghost helps the progress of the story. It give motivations to Hamlet to revenge. Before he met the ghost, he didn't know what to do with his hate uncle, but the ghost gives him the motivation to start the revenge and express his hate toward his uncle. I think Hamlet is going crazy after mother's marriage. The ghost could be his imagination figure, but I think the main point of the ghost is help the story to progress.
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Post by christopher on Jan 24, 2016 11:14:03 GMT
It is pretty confusing because the script itself was vague. Father's Ghost doesn't necessarily mean that the ghost is King Hamlet himself. Hamlet seemed a little obsessed in the fact that his soldiers said the ghost looks like King Hamlet. Yet, later in the story, the story that the ghost shared is true. If the ghost was a figure of some else's, would the ghost really tell a story that would motivate Hamlet to kill his uncle and grow hatred towards women? Unless the ghost is uncoolociated with Hamlet, I think there is no reason for a random ghost to tell such tales. Being said, I think the ghost is King Hamlet.
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Post by mohahaha on Jan 24, 2016 11:34:25 GMT
I think it is Hamlet's father just because of the watch guards seeing him and going all crazy about it to tell the young Hamlet, telling Hamlet's quest to avenge him by killing Claudius, which I might believe that his father might be like his mentor when Hamlet is in difficult situation. As like in "Obi Wan Kenobi"
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Post by ETypeRegymon on Jan 24, 2016 12:49:27 GMT
I'm more surprised by how quickly they accept that there was a ghost on the roof, since I don't believe the ghost shows up again later (I don't think it was mentioned in the summary we watched). It's a supernatural element in the story, yet it isn't really explained. His dad is just there to drive revenge, so who knows whether it was Hamlet's dad or just a ghost who disguised themself as Hamlet's dad.
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Post by andrewcho77 on Jan 24, 2016 12:57:14 GMT
The ghost is Hamlet's father because he wore the same armour and the ghost really looked similar with Hamlet's father. Before the story, we watched a cliff note's video explaining how the plot is going to be so I never thought that the ghost is not Hamlet's father. If the ghost is not Hamlet's father then Hamlet will be depressed forever then there will be no development. So the ghost is Hamlet's father and not a demonic figure.
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Post by erickim on Jan 24, 2016 13:53:58 GMT
I have no idea since I did not finish reading the story but my guess is that the ghost is not actually hamlet's ghost but some kind of imaginary existence. As I read the story more, to me, Hamlet sounds very delusional. Maybe he sat this stage so that he could make an excuse to kill Claudius once for all?
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Post by kevv on Jan 24, 2016 14:44:55 GMT
I guess in the beginning of the story and even in the video that we watched, it wasn't Hamlet who thought that it was his father but the guards who are Hamlets best friends that informed Hamlet about the ghost. I think Hamlet just believed that the ghost was his father because of his friends and the reason why he went crazy and all psycho was because claudius was thinking of doing something to Hamlet. maybe it was just the culture thing that shakespeare wanted to include in his story.
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Post by toufiq on Jan 24, 2016 14:57:30 GMT
I don't know why, but I have this weird feeling that the ghost can be a hallucination. May be it's a creation by Hamlet to give his actions reasons. But since I didn't read the whole story so let's see what happens next.
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Post by lucia on Jan 24, 2016 17:06:12 GMT
As I read the story, I am constantly debating whether the ghost is real or a part of Hamlet's imagination. In some parts, I find it pretty convincing that the ghost is just a hallucination. For example, the ghost speaks only when its with Hamlet and Hamlet stops doubting the ghost when it talks about the death of King Hamlet and revenge; he ends up believing what he wants to believe. But again, the existence of ghosts was a well-known idea that was believed by the people in the Elizabethan Era.
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Post by mayurika98 on Jan 25, 2016 2:49:26 GMT
The ghost doesn't necessarily have to be King Hamlet, for the story to go on. However, I still think that it truly is King Hamlet because I noticed that Hamlet is very similar to his father. They are both in some way cynical and also have similar lines when it comes to the "swearing on the sword" part. The ghost can also be seen by all of Hamlet's friends so it cannot be a figment of Hamlet's imagination. Perhaps the ghost just really wanted revenge on his brother merely for stealing his wife or the crown of Denmark. It is interesting that he went to Hamlet to seek revenge. Maybe he went to someone else first, but got rejected.
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Post by timmy on Jan 29, 2016 5:26:49 GMT
I believe it was the demon. In this case, I believe the demon told the truth- because the truth was enough to stir a chaos. In the end, we all know that it ultimately worked, as many of the main characters died. If it was the real father, he would have wanted his son's safety rather than his own revenge
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