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Post by christopher on Oct 17, 2015 12:05:06 GMT
Had nothing to come up with, so I'm just going to bring this up (something has to go on right?) The news about the "Cat Mom" was and currently going viral. For those who don't know, this is the case of 'Cat Mom'. Nine days ago, a 55 year old woman, 'named Cat Mom', was killed and her 29 year old friend was injured in an apartment complex in Yongin, Gyeonggido. The 55 year old woman was killed by a brick fallen from an apartment building while trying to build a shelter for feral cats. There were no witnesses and few clues to figure out the suspect. Then two days ago, a 9-year old fourth grader happened to be the unlikely killer of the old woman. The 9-year old 'A' was up at the rooftop with his two friends two days ago and were doing a gravity experiment that they learned in elementary school. 'A' said he had no intention of killing 'Cat Mom' and he claimed that he didn't knew people would be down at the apartment. It was true that 'A' and his two friends' visions were obscured because of tress underneath the apartment. However, the police believe that the boy was aware that someone was down there. Right now, 'A' and the his friend's statements are not identical. Debate is going on whether the boy should be charged regardless or the school should take responsibility for not giving out safety instructions that students should not perform gravity experiment in apartment buildings. There is also a debate that the brick which 'A' threw didn't actually killed 'Cat Mom', instead the case is actually a hate crime by a person who dislikes stray cats. Investigation is still going on till today. There's a lot of debate and some inconsistencies in the case. But this is what I mainly want to discuss about: Should the 9-year old boy take responsibility for his crime or should the school take responsibility for not telling the students to not to perform gravity experiment in apartment buildings. I think the school should take responsibility, because if they had indeed told the students that performing gravity experiment is dangerous outside of school ground and without supervisor, this case wouldn't have happened. What do you guys think? (Or maybe the truth may be lying elsewhere?) Source: koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/Article.aspx?aid=3010412 |
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Post by Emily on Oct 17, 2015 12:58:59 GMT
I saw this article too! I do believe that the boy should take responsibility for his actions. He should have known that even though 'maybe' his view was obscured by trees, there might have been people down there, and there would have been consequences to his action, such as the brick shattering and the pieces hurting someone. Or in this serious case, a grandma died. Throwing a brick down is never okay unless there are absolutely no people around, and even then there may be dangers to this act. There is a huge controversy about this article. Before the killer and his reasons for throwing the brick was found, many people believed that the killer of the woman was actually throwing the brick to kill the cat to disdain the lady from feeding the cats anymore. Many people in Korea hate stray cats because they make loud noises and are disturbing to their lives, but this 'cat lady' was actually going around and feeding this poor cats who have almost little-to-none chance of survival due to lack of food and shelter. Or maybe the killer had been aiming at the lady, hoping to just injure her and not kill, but unfortunately the latter happened. I could go on and on about this article. The expat animal community has taken this act very seriously  I wish people could be more kind and more thoughtful of their actions. |
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Post by jungseunghoon16 on Oct 17, 2015 18:40:32 GMT
The "Cat Mom" issue is a huge topic throughout the nation because this wasn't the first time this kind of murder, or accident has happened. I think the idea of charging the school of not teaching the students about the safety cautions is absurd. We are trying to find the murderer of this innocent "Cat Mom" but we are charging the school for what? for not telling the students that gravity experiments should not be done on apartment roofs? I think this is completely wrong, the whole concept of bringing the school into this matter is wrong because the person in charge of the action was the students. First of all, I think that if we were to bring other factors into the student's charges, I think it should be the apartment. Most of the apartment's rooftops are locked for various reasons, that may be because of suicides, safety precautions, and etc. Why shouldn't the student take full responsibility of the dropping the brick from an apartment? Is it because of his age or was it because it was an accident? I still believe that the student is responsible for the killing of "Cat Mom"
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Post by melody on Oct 17, 2015 19:22:39 GMT
Since I was curious about this incident, I looked up for more information in order to have a various perspective towards the accident. I was still not sure if this was really an 'accident' because A) The school didn't provide any education about 'gravity experiment' for the 4th graders, which means the kid didn't learn how to take a gravity experiment from school. This means there's more possibility that the student learned from it elsewhere, or no where. and B) The student confessed about his crime after the police claimed that their investigation will get deeper and precise. The investigation will need to have more steps for precision, however, by these facts, it's a little bit fishy to say all of this was an accident. The student is responsible for killing the 'Cat Mom' whether if it's an accident or not. The student needs to be charged for some kind of crime. However, I think the matter of "accident or not" will make his sin deeper of a bit lighter.
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Post by Tharu on Oct 18, 2015 3:16:44 GMT
in my opinion, it is the schools' and the kid's parents' fault. The kid is only 9 years old, he/she doesn't know what is right and what is wrong, that's why there are parents and teachers and adults there to teach those kids. It's the parents' responsible to look what the kids are doing at home and if they are doing something wrong, parents should tell them to not to do it. Same when the kids are in school, teachers should be responsible of what they are teaching these students. So you can't really directly blame the kids, you have to look from other perspectives too.
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Post by jonah21 on Oct 18, 2015 7:05:29 GMT
The incident with 'Cat Mom' and the 9 year old boy did bring up some controversy. I believe that both the student and school should take responsibility. I agree with the fact that the school didn't properly inform the students about doing an experiment outside of school grounds. That's part of the reason. But also, the idea that a student would go to the roof of an apartment just to throw a brick for that experiment... Couldn't he have chosen something lighter? A brick would literally crush whoever it fell on. Not only that, but if he was using a brick, couldn't he have just went to someplace lower and not on top of an apartment where his view was obstructed?
But what can be considered the truth? There's a lot of vagueness in the article and not a lot can be confirmed other than a student with some friends went to the roof and threw a brick. I think that the issue became a huge thing in Korea because of the vagueness. It's like they want people to think / judge for themselves.
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Post by Jooyoung on Oct 18, 2015 9:06:26 GMT
I think adults and the child both have faults and must take responsibility. Teachers and parents should have guided the child properly so that the child will recognize what is wrong and right to do. Like many of you mentioned, the teacher should have informed the students about potential risks of doing the gravity experiment up on the roof in detail. Also, parents should teach children to respect other's life, to know what is right and wrong to do, and what to do if they made a mistake. The child had problems to. According to article, the child knew that the person below got hurt. However, he did not go to the teacher and informed him or her about it. Furthermore, did the child not know at all, like absolutely none, that his action could potentially hurt others? If he was able to observe the falling items and record their time, I couldn't he see that there are PEOPLE down there. He could have moved to different spot or something where there is no people!!
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Post by juliaj on Oct 18, 2015 9:24:44 GMT
This is a very interesting case! I think that both the child and the school should take the blame, but the school and parents should take more. The child should be somewhat punished because even if it was an accident, he may have killed a person even if it was unintentional, but A is still only a child. The school should also be punished, but so should those childrens' parents. If they were dropping things from apartments, they should have made sure that the kids weren't dropping anything potentially lethal and should have had one adult present to supervise the experiment. Korean parents are very busy, but their childrens' safety should be a greater priority.
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Post by ETypeRegymon on Oct 18, 2015 11:38:51 GMT
I don't think he should take the full blame because his view was obscured by trees. Looking at the picture, the leaves are thick enough to not be able to see the ground. So they wouldn't be able to see the person, let alone realize they hit her. But, the issue with this is that how do they know when the object landed on the ground if the trees blocked their sight? Shouldn't they have dropped it in a direction without trees? I don't know what they're thinking.
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Post by sunnyp on Oct 18, 2015 11:51:58 GMT
This is a tragic news. I think this accident is both the kid's and the school's fault. But I agree with you on that school should take more reponsibility for the boy's action. If the school warned the kids to see what's under before doing the experiment, this would not have happened. Since it is clear that this was not an intended murder, suspects should not be charged too harshly. But they should be charged enough that both the child and the school learns a lesson and the tragic death of the cat mom is somewhat repaid.
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Post by sangjoon on Oct 18, 2015 12:45:01 GMT
I also heard of this issue this weekend. There's no doubt that this issue is very regrettable issue. I am so sad that someone died without any reason although it was accident or not. However, In my personal opinion, it is not thay child's fault even if he did it on purpose. Because, he is elematary school student and does not have proper thinking ability. In other words, it's thay kid's parent's fault. Since kids do not have proper thinking ability, their parents are responsible to educate them so that they do not do something unproper thing. Although this issue caused by accident, it is also his parent's fault because they have all responsibility on their kid and accidents are also their portion. Anyways, I remind the importance of education.
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Post by timmy on Oct 18, 2015 13:13:19 GMT
First of all, it is indeed tragic that such things had to happen. On the other hand, I still think that it is unlikely that the children will be punished, or the school, and I agree with what will happen.
When you cast blame on the school, I mean, what can the supervisors do to stop this? Even parents, who are responsible for only their children, occasionally lose them or fail to bring them up properly. How can a supervisor ensure no calamities take place whatsoever? It is possible that the supervisor was alert, but the students found a way out anyway.
If someone says that the students were responsible, I have to answer that they are too young. It is no doubt that the case was a murder; however, I believe that nine is too young of a age to form a concrete morals. Those kids must have lectures on ethics and morals. But then, it would be unjust for us to punish them.
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Post by andrewcho77 on Oct 18, 2015 13:15:23 GMT
I believe the boy should take charges for what he have done. When you are in 4th grade, you probably know everything. I remember when I was in 4th grade in Korean school, I saw other 4th graders trying to spit on other people's head. Those kids laughed when they got a person. Also I remember when I arrived in Korea, they were all cursing and I was taught in America that swearing is BAD. These kids probably saw the cat lady and I was trying to hit the person with a brick. When the kid actually hit the person and saw the person fall down, he was probably shocked and ran away. The Korean girls in Korean school were pretty nice but the boys were all swearing and cursing and it gave me a culture shock. So I believe that the kid should take full responsibility and go to jail. However, he will probably not go to jail and the school will take charge. Because in Korea you can rape a women and say you're drunk and the charges will be reduced.
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Post by mayurika98 on Oct 18, 2015 13:24:14 GMT
We can't just put the blame on one side of the case without looking at other possible reasons for the Cat Mom's death. The teacher's are to blame because of uncooligning projects that could be dangerous without having parental supervision. The kid's are also to blame for not checking their perimeters before constructing the experiment. If they did know that they was someone there, they probably did not intend for the brick to kill the person. Kids do stupid things without thinking of the consequences. This is why adults have to be make the better and smarter decisions.
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Post by Jessica (Yeeun) Kim on Oct 18, 2015 13:45:35 GMT
It is interesting topic to discuss in our discussion board. I also heard this news about “Cat Mom”. It is sad story that one woman was killed by a heavy brick, however, it was surprised story to me because 9 year old fourth grader might have responsibility of killing one innocent woman. I believe both the 9 year old boy and the school should take responsibility. This is because the school did not indeed told the students, but the school would never expect this accident. The 9 year old boy also have responsibility because it is common sense that people should never drop something at the rooftop.
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I wish people could be more kind and more thoughtful of their actions.
