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Post by juliaj on Oct 24, 2015 12:49:37 GMT
While we were reading Utopia, I noticed certain aspects about Thomas More's Utopia that were similar to my own Utopia, and aspects that were different. For example, I thought that the idea of education for everyone on agriculture is a good one in order to prevent famine, but the idea of having serfs was a bit faulty.
But overall I thought that his idea of Utopia was very insightful to the culture of his time and very interesting to read. What is your version of Utopia?
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Post by Emily on Oct 25, 2015 7:00:46 GMT
I don't think it would be possible to have there "perfect" Utopia. Human nature gets in the way every time, and traits such as greed and selfishness (which are present in every human) makes having a perfect Utopia virally impossible. However, there were some ideas that Thomas Moore had which I thought would have been good for an attempt at a Utopia. I thought the idea of all the cities in a circle so that no one city would be closer to the center was pretty good, but not the idea of a capital city in the center of the circle, as that causes imbalance. Another good thought was nobody could stay idle, and that they always had to be doing something. Nowadays in our society teenagers and even young adults being lazy is a very common thing to see, especially kids playing video or computer games and wasting away time and money on those games. Time could be better spent instead on learning or practicing their individual crafts.
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Post by jonah21 on Oct 25, 2015 7:36:32 GMT
I personally don't have a specific Utopia, but if I was to make one, I think that Utopia would be a society where people are all equal and everyone person works together for the benefit of the whole. I agree with you that having serfs in Thomas Moore's Utopia is faulty. How everyone views Utopia and what certain aspects of it are can change over time, especially by culture and time period. Thomas Moore's view of Utopia will certainly be different from those of today.
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Post by Jooyoung on Oct 25, 2015 9:29:40 GMT
I personally find Utopian society unimaginable and impossible, because I am very pessimistic when it comes to human nature. Therefore, when I think of Utopia, I end up eliminating people from the world. (If there is no people, there is no struggle or conflicts right...? XD) I believe that it is impossible for people to unite together mutually, unless there is a common enemy (physical or abstract) that threatens people's lives. However, by creating common enemy, a conflict is also created in the society. Also, it is not permanent. What happens if it is eliminated? People will go back to live selfishly.
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Post by graceyichen on Oct 25, 2015 9:59:19 GMT
I agree with Jooyoung. If there weren't humans, Utopia would be possible. I wish people were naturally good. But no, nice people always get hurt, and evil people get away with whatever they do. I've lost a lot of optimism on this because of personal experience.
People are too scared. So they end up trusting no one and only looking after their personal interests. And we have reasons to be scared of each other because look at the news! It's terrible everyday! I just wish we could have a world hug. Make people believe in what we can do if we come together. My utopia is everyone having no fear of each other, and not hating on society, because WE ARE SOCIETY?! We must change together! The biggest problems in this world is caused by HUMANS. I wish people were willing to be the one that was different. But no, just like when the teacher says, who wants to be responsible for some kind of extra work, nobody raises their hand. Why? Why can't we just do things for the sake of helping other people. The ones who try to make people happier or let people have less to worry about never get the equal amount of love in return. People are like, you did it voluntarily anyway, and they take advantage. Why? Why do people do this? Why can't we learn from Jesus or Gandhi? But no, look at how they ended up. Killed by society. This is what happens when people try to help other people in this world.
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Post by Tharu on Oct 25, 2015 11:37:35 GMT
Also adding something to your idea, Sir thomas more's ideas of Utopia can be defending his ideas again. for an example he said that all the states are equal to each other by size and everything. And also he says that there is a capital city, which defends his idea about all the states being equal. Capital city is way more developed and bigger than other states. So the idea that Sir Thomas More has on Utopia has some internal conflicts too.
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Post by mayurika98 on Oct 25, 2015 12:22:12 GMT
When we were analyzing More's rationale towards his Utopian society, I mostly disagreed with his concepts. Firstly his view on how jobs should be divided in kind of biased. Since he was an upper cluncool man it might have affected the way he wanted his Utopian society to be. For me, a Utopian society is hard to imagine. We have not yet gone through most of the difficulties of life so we cannot truly determine what the ideal society is. I thought his approach to money was clever. I don't know if taking away money will stop humans from being greedy and still fighting for power, but it will definitely reduce the amount of crime in the world.
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Post by maysamyounis on Oct 25, 2015 13:35:43 GMT
I basically I not like the Utopian Society also because there is no enough divides for jobs and it is hard to image that all society are equal cluncool to live insides, and also it is hard to determined what Utopian society purpose because kind i feel they did not have propose for living, if we do not propose and fights for something in the life it kind will be boring. and also Utopian culture was have agriculture but they did not have trends with our people and Society. and I don't like the Utopian culture they believed woman are weak sex, this make feeling bad .
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Post by Jessica (Yeeun) Kim on Oct 25, 2015 14:16:04 GMT
I personally believe there is no “perfect utopia” because people always want more than others. I can understand Thomas More’s Utopia when I consider about time period when he wrote this book. For example, England had a extreme poverty, fame, and cluncool division. Therefore, Thomas More dreamed the idea of equal agriculture and equal education in his utopia. But whether his utopia will work is another matter. As the evidence of the roots of word “Utopia” (means no-place), I personally believe Thomas More knew that his utopia would never come true.
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Post by toufiq on Oct 25, 2015 14:23:52 GMT
I don't think it's possible to create such kind of society. We are supposed to be imperfect as human. We are always bias and selfish. So when we imagine a Utopian society, we have to get rid of all of these things. But if we are able to do that then I feel there's gonna be almost no difference us and the God we believe. And also if we are totally perfect then life will lose it's diversity and purpose.
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Post by timmy on Oct 25, 2015 14:49:33 GMT
Utopia, when you look up the word, means "no place." It is ironic how the very thing that we want is something that we can never have. But if you were to ask me about my own utopia, I would say my own utopia would be where the ideality of "communism" actually exists. Communism, at first, wasn't meant to be evil. However, because people did not want to be equal and were greedy, it did not work out. If humans were actually pure, the concept of communism would actually work very well. However, as I said before, such thing does not exist.
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Post by sunnyp on Oct 25, 2015 14:52:55 GMT
My utopia would have to completely ignore human natures, like an island of peace and kindness. But if I picked from Utopias that are actually logical, I would say Aldous Huxley's Brave New World is closest to my utopia. It is ironic because the brave new world is technically a dystopia but since the people there are happy and satisfied, I would call it the closest logical form of utopia. When I was reading Utopia, I couldn't help thinking that this will not work. I felt like More's Utopia was like an ideal communist society. In order to achieve that, some human natures will have to be eliminated and the only way that can happen is how the Brave New World did it, brain wash and medicate humans.
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Post by melody on Oct 25, 2015 18:10:21 GMT
First of all, my version of Utopia, all the servants have to be very cute. Same as the other Utopian society, all people are treated equally and they don't lack at anything. Therefore, they don't have to worry about anything that they lack at. People in my Utopia, all the people get to eat delicious food and play hard as they work hard. There would we chocolate fountains and everybody would join the fountain during weekends in order to spend their nice day off.
Also, what people consider to be the most important thing would be such things like justice, honesty, puncoolion, love and all those positive factors.
I agree with Emily by saying that there's no "perfect" Utopia. Therefore, if there's no perfect one, I'm going to make my own, preferable Utopian society.
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Post by dilan on Oct 28, 2015 14:05:25 GMT
In Utopian society they all equal, they all in same religion, and they all have a same ideas, they don't have a poor people they all rich. They don't want to trick to someone to take something because they have everything they need. They don't need money they work for free, they all happy. So in Utopian society crimes never will happen because they don't need money, but in modern society crimes always happen, because people don;t have a same ideas, they are not in same religion, and they all not rich, In modern society people work for money. So i think modern society and Utopian society was really different.
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Post by Tharu on Oct 31, 2015 2:59:03 GMT
Adding something to dilan's idea, the reason that our modern society getting corrupted is because of our human nature. Even though Sir Thomas More, explained his ideal society, it will eventually change due to the human nature, as humans, we all have greediness, jealousy, etc. so when it comes to applying that to the Utopian Society, that is not going to be the ideal society that Thomas More imagined. It will eventually turn into a modern society.
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