North Korea- the failed utopian society

I agree that North Korea is a failed Utopia. North Korea claims everyone is equal, similar to everything is for everyone. However, we always hear about how only the elite and ruling cluncool gets all the benefits while citizens are starving and dying. I believe that the same would happen to Thomas Moore's Utopia if it was in reality. I think that no matter how much there is set forth to make everything as equal as possible, human nature of attaining more power would get in the way.

I see your argument that North Korea is acting as a utopia but ultimately failing to do so. Even though the regular people in North Korea may be equal (in a very sad, deprived way), the difference between the government and its citizens is too great and so therefore utopia is not achieved. However, in South Korea, people are not so focused to make the country completely equal, but to just make the whole country it self as successful as they can make it.

In my opinion, a communism government doesn't equal Utopia. The purpose of Utopia is for the greater good of all, where everyone has no greed and are peaceful. But isn't the purpose of a communist government to gain total power as a dictator? So from the beginning, these two systems are different. I understand the comparison, and I believe all the examples make sense, I only think that saying a communist government is a failed Utopia misleads the idea of Utopia. Utopia to me, is on a completely different and higher level than any system we have now. 

hI don't think the core purpose of North Korea was to make a Utopian society. Of course North Kroea wanted to make a successful communist society and it obviously had failed, but because Utopia sounds like an ideal communist society it doesn't mean their purpose is the same. Utopia is meant to be for everyone, it is a perfect society to benefit every citizens. On the other hand, NK already had a definite leader when it was created. It was meant to gain the most benefit for the leader especially economically. Core purpose of NK was already more leaned toward dictatorship than a perfect communist society when it was established because it already had a definite, dictating leader from the beginning.

Cool analogy. Indeed North Korea is a failed Utopia. The ideal society of Utopia is very similar to the society of North Korea. However, North Korea is not a successful country. I majorly think that the government has to do with the success of the country. Even though there is equality, there is still a dictator in the country. It really doesn't fulfill the purpose of Utopia. For South Korea, even though there is doubt in terms of equality, the purpose of utopia is somewhat fulfilled in South Korea. So South Korea is more successful than North Korea.

I think the definition of being successful in Korea is a little different from the success in North Korea. Although I agree with Jay on the unfortunate failure of North Korea achieving a utopian society, it is somewhat clear that some people are in a worse condition than the people of North Korea. People tend to look at the big picture when it comes to the country's success. Most of you have walked around Gang-nam, the most developed and main town of Seoul, the capital of Korea, there are people that look very wealthy, but there are always beggars that are on the street. (if you ever been to Gang-nam there is a beggar that slides across the streets in a roller on the ground.) Do you think there are beggars in North Korea? In my perspective, although economically and socially, Korea is more developed that North Korea, but in a bigger picture, I think that North Korea has achieved more of a Utopia than South Korea.
South Korea has people controlling the economy and they are called the top 1 %. You must have friends that you think are rich, but they are not all the people of Korea. There are very poor people barely getting money to even eat a meal.
Yes, I do see the irony but not the irony of North Korean's failure despite their effort in achieving a utopian society, but the irony that people see only the successful part of Korea and not the downside. In addition, people tend to see only the downside and the failures of North Korea but not their success. For example, South Koreans do not have the technology or the space to provide the country nuclear weaponry so we as South Koreans, depend on the U.S government for nuclear weapons. However, North Koreans are close to being the most dangerous nuclear weaponry developer in the world with Russia and America on top of their heads. In conclusion, I think that North Korea has developed more of a utopian society than South Korea.

Is North Korea actually considered Utopia from our view..? Honestly, while discussing about Utopia after reading the story; it made me think question if there are situations where people can actually do the work without having someone or somebody ordering them? In cluncool, we talked about how when friends go on a trip, someone must tell each individual to do their own part to have a fun time at the trip. The one who is ordering people what to do is basically hierarchy which is in our natural senses. It shows that people are just dumb to do their own thing without a person to lead them. with that, I don't think North Korea is an utopian society. Its just a corrupted place with one leader killing all their people showing non-equality.