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Post by ETypeRegymon on Nov 15, 2015 12:31:17 GMT
One thing that caught my attention in cla.ss was the fact that in the Old Witch and the Buried Moon, witches are evil simply because they are. When reading the stories, I thought the Old Witch's witch wasn't evil (she was just an eccentric old lady teaching morals in my eyes) and I didn't realize there were any witches in Buried Moon until the story basically spelled it out for me.
Which brings me to a question. Why do we judge things by their cover? Witches getting called evil based on a.ssumptions and difficult to prove evidence (we never actually see any accused witches do anything), causing them to be tortured and executed for a crime they likely did not commit, all while creating the "witches are evil" label, creating the cover the next generation will judge them as. And racism. Run into a group of people with a different skin color? Treat them as if they were dumb savages and enslave them for profit! The fact that there's slavery means that they do a.ssume them as "bad". And then there's gend-no, not going there.
The point is that making a.ssumptions has never made a good result in terms of fairness or equality. At best, it causes people to treat them slightly worse, and at absolute worst, we have a kid getting poured acid down their throat for "being a witch". So, to repeat, why do we a.ssume how other people are, regardless of accuracy? I don't have a response for this, other than "it's more convenient", so that's why there's a question.
*If you ctrl+f this paragraph, you will not find the word "discrimination", other than this sentence.*
(There were 7 freaking un cools, so editing...)
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Post by lucia on Nov 15, 2015 14:10:24 GMT
One thing I noticed while reading the Buried Moon was that the author grouped the witches with the other monsters that buried the moon, which made us uncoolume that they are evil. I agree with you that uncoolumptions are the root of most conflicts but we do it all the time. We uncoolume and create stereotypes because it's easy and convenient. As humans, we eventually look for a way to do things easier and quicker, but not necessarily better.
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Post by melody on Nov 15, 2015 14:45:39 GMT
Just like people in present, there's going to be people in the past who seem to be evil and bewitched. Even these days, when we hear about the terror in Paris, we think that they should be bewitched or devils. But we do know that they are just doing so because they have a different religious belief and expressing that to the world as violent as they can which ends up killing innocent people. People from the past killed lots of people by accusing them that they are the cause of witchcrafts. However, if there were actually people who killed innocent people by having different religious belief, people might've thought that they were bewitched by their weird behavior. I am aware that lots of innocent people got killed by the wrong judgement that they are witches. However, I'm giving another idea that there should be other reasons like these too.
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Post by sunnyp on Nov 15, 2015 14:52:04 GMT
Interesting thought. I also noticed from the Old Witch that the witch is evil because she is a witch. This definitely shows us the stereotypes and discrimination still happening today. I think people's decision to make symbolism for what is good and what is bad is resulting in stereotypes. For example, we automatically relate darkness to evilness and that's part of the reason why black people were discriminated. As the Old Witch showed, other fairy tales distinctively have evil characters and good characters and evil characters are usually just evil because they are. Adults want to tell children that there are evil in this world through stories but they are not doing a great job explaining why they are evil, just planting stereotypes in their childrens head.
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Post by juliaj on Nov 21, 2015 7:13:24 GMT
I agree with you. It reminded me of Beowulf in that the evil are evil just because they are. In the stories, the evil are evil without even doing anything evil or before they do anything evil. In Beowulf, the Grendel is evil because he was born as a descendent of Cain. I think people might have done this to keep a sense of community in a way that shows it as them versus others, and the others are evil. Anything different or outside that people don't understand can easily be cluncoolified as evil because no one wants to be the evil ones themselves.
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Post by Emily on Nov 22, 2015 3:40:27 GMT
I actually think that the witch from the Old Witch story wasn't evil, as you said. So that means that not all stories are witches portrayed as evil. Just as you said, from that story, the witch is more of a moral-teacher than an evil being who eats girls for fun. But I would have to agree that in majority of stories witches are portrayed as evil and wicked beings, and this is a pretty harsh but long-lasting stereotype. An example of this would be the Buried Moon, who helped bury the moon and also called out to poison her.
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Post by Jooyoung on Nov 22, 2015 8:16:10 GMT
I agree with you! Though there are many possible reasons to this phenomenon, I would like to introduce a psychological reason. In fields of Psychology there is a term called "group think", which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group. Therefore, those who are different and do not fit in the group are labeled as "them". And because "they" are not "us", "we" tend to attribute all the negative and opposite characteristics on "them" regardless of whether they are accurate or not. This results in segregation, discrimination, and stereotypes that you mentioned.
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