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Post by timmy on Nov 23, 2015 3:58:32 GMT
Of course, the majority of the fault goes to the manipulator for manipulating. They knew exactly what they were doing and decided to act that way. However, some of the fault lies to the manipulated for being so ignorant. If they thought twice before believing the manipulator instead of being so dull as to believe the manipulator fully, that person deserves to be manipulated to certain extent. They failed to think carefully and they failed to look at the bigger picture. |
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Post by Emily on Nov 28, 2015 6:48:31 GMT
Personally, don't think that the manipulated person has any fault for being manipulated. They could be the most knowledgable person in the world, but the manipulator would probably use some effective technique to trick the victim into thinking that he/she is a friend, when really the person isn't. Ignorance is not really the problem here; it is the schemer's fault for deceiving innocent people who believe that they are only trying to help the person. It's like blaming a victim of rape that him/her being raped is his fault, not the rapist. Just because the person is wearing certain clothes or is walking outside at night, doesn't mean that he/she is asking to be raped.
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Post by andrewcho77 on Nov 28, 2015 17:24:09 GMT
Yes, I agree with Emily. There is no fault for the person being manipulated because even a friend can manipulated you. Plus, you are already manipulated by the government. You get manipulated easily because you might trust that person or other people are following that person. Ignorance can play a role on manipulation but it is not about ignorance. Even a smart kid can get manipulated easily. If someone is trying to trick you then you don't know it right away. After few days, you will realize that you got tricked and got manipulated by them.
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Post by sangjoon on Nov 29, 2015 4:36:38 GMT
I think it's both fault, manipulator and manipulated person. The reason why I think this way is because if people know how to prevent and take action to not get manipulated, they had chance to not get manipulated. However, most of people dosen't follow the right thing because of the fear. So it's kind of their fault,too. Obviously, if manipulator had bad purpose during the manipulation, it's manipulator's fault.
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Post by lucia on Nov 29, 2015 4:42:29 GMT
I also think that it's mostly the manipulator's fault to deliberately deceive someone into doing something. But because we are being manipulated at all times and it is impossible to completely get rid of it, I think it is our responsibility to protect ourselves from it. We could be at fault, but it's not entirely our fault. We're responsible for avoiding manipulation in our lives because we can take action to stop it from influencing us.
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Post by juliaj on Nov 29, 2015 7:37:08 GMT
I think that the fault lies with the manipulator. Even if the manipulated person falls for the same trick over and over, it's still the manipulator's fault for taking advantage of another person especially after they know that that person may be vulnerable to something. I think that especially if it's manipulation done by exploiting someone's personal weakness, it's especially wrong to do.
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Post by Jonathan on Nov 29, 2015 9:23:30 GMT
LOL So harsh Jae. I definitely understand your point of saying the manipulated has fault to believe fully in the manipulator. However, that's exactly what the manipulator is good at. They tend to build up credibility before they even try to manipulate people. If you look at scams, they try to persuade the people with a play of words or by luring them with something. The person should have checked but it's is so tempting to see those. Manipulators who trick people by saying your bank account is in danger uses the same method. They say they are from the government or some security company than asks for their information. People either know it's a scam or freak out and start to talk. They use the weakness in human nature to manipulate people and we can't blame it to the manipulated.
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Post by graceyichen on Nov 29, 2015 9:37:28 GMT
I understand why you would say that. When I think about these events without my emotions, I feel the same way to some extent.
I think this is because we are so used to the evil around us, we've kind of turned our backs to our own side to say hey it's your fault now for not paying attention to reality. There's a Chinese idiom for this that basically describe, when you try to prevent something, you go too far and start to contradict your initial belief.
I don't think it's fair to say manipulation is partially the fault of the person being manipulated when they do not have the resources to defend themselves. Like the case of the Nigerian Witch Hunts. I want to believe that, it's never the fault of the person being manipulated, because evil should not be tolerated. But I then wonder, how many more people have to be victims? Shouldn't we just be more careful ourselves?
But again in the long run, to overcome all evil, I guess we need to believe in the good.
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Post by riyadh on Nov 29, 2015 11:27:12 GMT
the media .. because it is big caused and it is the most affected one on us .. alot of people share there the things and from there it get started and there it end up by affecting you
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Post by ETypeRegymon on Nov 29, 2015 13:09:55 GMT
I think an old quote sums it up pretty well: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."
In a way, it's natural to get manipulated the first few times since you're not expecting it, but if it keeps happening, the blame leaks over to the person being manipulated, because by that point they should know better. So I sort of agree with what Jae is saying, but at the same time I don't believe humans are capable of thinking critically about potential manipulators for every single moment of their lives. They might need a reminder.
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Post by jungseunghoon16 on Nov 29, 2015 14:23:41 GMT
The quote from Regy's post is completely right. The manipulator can be blamed for the first time of the manipulation. However, we will have to blame the person who is manipulated for being manipulated if it the same thing more than one time because they are the fool to be manipulated from the same thing. Sometimes, people are vulnerable to threats and manipulations when they are not certain of something, or not comfortable to changes. This gives clear evidence that the people who are manipulated are responsible for being manipulated.
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Post by Jessica (Yeeun) Kim on Nov 29, 2015 14:46:35 GMT
In my opinion, manipulated person has any fault, but manipulator has guilty. This is because manipulated person strongly believe that what he or she believe is hundred percent true and do not know he or she is manipulated by manipulator. However, manipulators have guilty because they want to benefit from person how they manipulated. For example, they could manipulate other people because they want more money or even reputation.
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Post by sunnyp on Nov 29, 2015 14:50:12 GMT
It is the manipulator's fault for manipulating. However, it is also our duty to prevent ourselves from getting manipulated because manipulation will happen anytime, anywhere. We still cannot say it's the victims fault for getting manipulated, the crime is the criminal's fault. But we should be preventing ourselves from manipulation because we know it's happening. I also agree with Regy's quote. It accurately explains the idea Jae had brought up. If you are consistently getting manipulated, maybe you should start hardening tour mentality or doing something to prevent getting manipulated.
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Post by Tharu on Dec 5, 2015 12:43:17 GMT
I agree with emily, it is manipulator's fault. Innocent people might act dumb when it comes to their fears, and unknown, that because they have no choice about, they try to depend on another person in this kind of a situation. The manipulator takes advantage from this person, by acting like he/she is helping but truly helping their own selves.
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Post by susansun18 on Dec 13, 2015 17:35:50 GMT
I don't want to say being manipulated is anyone's fault. And also Jay, sounds like you never been manipulated or something. LOL. Anyways, I completely agree with Reggy's quote,It's normal and common to get fooled once because we didn't have knowledge or experience with that but if I get fooled again that's my problem like Jay's post, that's the get-manipulated person's fault.
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