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Post by ETypeRegymon on Feb 28, 2016 12:38:38 GMT
In the end, Fortinbras walks in and sees that everyone is dead except for Horatio. Horatio offers to tell them the events of the story, and Fortinbras tells his soldiers to shoot their guns in Hamlet's honor. Why? He claims that he would've made a good king if he lived, but that makes no sense. Hamlet was trying to destroy anything uncoolociated with Claudius. Claudius was the King of Denmark. Even though he stole the title by murder, no one knows that other than Hamlet, Claudius and Horatio. So Claudius shouldn't be that bad in people's eyes. Hamlet attacking Claudius at the end should not paint him as a hero. If Hamlet needs to be honored, they should at least do it after Horatio tells the story.
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Post by heesu on Feb 28, 2016 13:31:08 GMT
I think because he was a famous figure in Denmark and people liked him. I think people showed him honor because they are close relationship with Hamlet. They showed loyal at their conversations, but I think they thought Hamlet as more friends rather than the prince of Denmark.
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Post by Jonathan on Feb 28, 2016 16:04:52 GMT
As Heesu mentioned, Hamlet was famous and honored by many of the people. Hamlet's father did conquer many land and the fame must have been brought down to Hamlet. In Fortinbras eyes, I think Hamlet would be honorable because Fortinbras lost his father against the Danish. Now he came for his father's revenge. Hamlet did the same by revenging for his father. Maybe he felt some connection with Hamlet and decided to honor him.
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Post by graceyichen on Mar 5, 2016 5:21:50 GMT
Haha, I found this part funny too. It's exactly what happened when Brutus died in Julius Caesar, I guess Shakespeare just likes to end plays with celebratory or a bit more optimistic scenes. I think Fortinbras was really mature here too, he respected and honored Hamlet's death even though his country and Hamlet's have had conflicts. Perhaps he was being polite saying that Hamlet would make a great king because his position for his country is the same as Hamlet's, not that he knew Claudius did dirty things to become King. I agree that Hamlet killing Claudius does not make him a hero, there are no heroes in this play.
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Post by lucia on Mar 5, 2016 11:06:31 GMT
I found it ironic that he was honored and given a soldier's funeral. In the very last stanza, as Fortinbras honors Hamlet, uncooluming that Hamlet would've been a great king if he had the change to rule Denmark, he gives him a solider's funeral. In the stanza, "For he was likely, had he been put on, To have proved most royally", put on means put to the test (by becoming king), but is this true? It seems obvious that Hamlet's fatal flaw is his inability or unwillingness to act; he's too doubtful and thinks too much of the situation.
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Post by jonah21 on Mar 6, 2016 1:00:50 GMT
It's funny how Fortinbras wants to honor Hamlet. When I read that part, I just kept thinking how Fortinbras just wants to be seen as a respectable ruler. He really didn't care about Hamlet or whoever else in Denmark dying. He just wanted to become King and successfully avenged his own father's death.
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Post by sangjoon on Mar 6, 2016 2:57:57 GMT
I also agree with what heesue said. People honor Hamlet at the end of the story although hamlet did nothing to get respect. The reason for this is that Hamlet was very famous person in Denmark at that time period and some people liked him as a person. This logic goes same as today's society. There are lots of famous people thesedays and they have fans and haters. In other words, there are still people who respect the famous people although they did nothing to get respect.
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Post by andrewcho77 on Mar 6, 2016 7:28:04 GMT
Many people like Hamlet and his father did a lot for the country. It is the right to respect him as a king too. Hamlet has his father's blood which makes everyone honor him. But I think that it is their culture to honor the king even though they died . Hamlet's friend , Horatio, tells the news and they honor hamlet. Horatio is hamlet's right hand man and he knows that Hamlet would been a good king. So I think it is good to honor hamlet to give him respect as a king.
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Post by jin794 on Mar 6, 2016 7:50:19 GMT
It was very ironic when people honored Hamlet in the end of the story. For my personal opinion, since King of Hamlet was a great honorable person in Denmark, people might see Hamlet as the same way. I think Fortinbras and Hamlet have similarities. It is possible for Fortinbras to feel empathy toward Hamlet because both of them lost their father.
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Post by Emily on Mar 6, 2016 9:54:00 GMT
I think it was because to the people of Denmark, Hamlet was a good prince and a great person overall; there were countless times in the story when it is mentioned that the common people of Denmark love Hamlet, and so if he died it would cause an uproar within the country. Fortinbras probably knew this, so to look good in front of everyone, especially the people of Denmark, if he were to honor Hamlet with guns shooting, then the people would see him as good and probably like him more and like the idea of him being next king of Denmark.
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Post by Tharu on Mar 6, 2016 11:23:56 GMT
I agree with Heesue, as she said Hamlet was a honored person in the society. People loved him and they were loyal to him, so maybe Fortinbras, probably knew that so it is better to do a honorable funeral to Hamlet, so he did it. And also Fortinbras might be cunning, since he knew that he is going to be the new king in Denmark, maybe he did to get people's love for him. Since he is new to the country, but Hamlet was not, if Fortinbras showed loyalty and friendship with Hamlet, he might have thought that people might also treat him that way.
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Post by Jooyoung on Mar 6, 2016 11:38:43 GMT
I AGREE! I thought Fortinbras honoring Hamlet at the end was ironic especially because Hamlet is son of a man who killed his father. Furthermore, I also agree that Hamlet did nothing to deserve the honor. Only thing he did is making the nation collapse (or taken by other nation) as a result of his selfish revenge. Also, I don't think he had the right to judge someone's fate just because that person is guilty.
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Post by Jessica (Yeeun) Kim on Mar 6, 2016 14:15:53 GMT
Personally, I believe Fortinbras tries to respect Hamlet as the prince of Denmark. Secondly, he is a famous figure and citizens in Danmark love him. Therefore, he should show respect to Hamlet because he soon becomes a king of Denmark. So Fortinbras can control of them.
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Post by timmy on Mar 6, 2016 14:49:57 GMT
Death, in a way, is sort of the end of a person. Though people do not know it, I think Shakespeare intended to show- hey, after death, there is nothing left.
It is funny, only after death, true kindness is shown.
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Post by anniee on Mar 20, 2016 9:48:19 GMT
Fortinbras is probably formed his opinion about Hamlet based on what he heard from the people of Denmark. Hamlet was known to be very popular in his country, to such an extent that even Claudius delayed killing him so that his death wouldn't rile up the citizens. Also, if this was after Horatio told the tale of Hamlet's revenge for his father, Fortinbras would have been impressed by the lengths Hamlet went to in order to exact vengeance. He gave up everything, including his own life, to bring justice to the man who poisoned his own brother for power, while Fortinbras backed off immediately from Denmark when his uncle told him not to attack.
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