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Post by graceyichen on Apr 10, 2016 5:17:19 GMT
I think that the fact that Horatio is the only surviving major character at the end of the play is something cool to think on. This can be traced back to Freshman English, when we did the whole unit on free will, controlling your own fate...because Horatio did not get carried away by Hamlet's actions, his life was not affected when everyone else's started to go down. He remained rational and was not once influenced by other people's choices, emotions. Though you could argue that it's because he wasn't directly impacted by the murder since he wasn't related to anybody. I think the reason Horatio lived was because he controlled his own life. Ophelia didn't have to suicide because of her father or Hamlet, Hamlet didn't have to take revenge, Laertes didn't have to listen to Claudius's plan to have a duel with Hamlet....these other characters were all somehow led by others into doing something they didn't necessarily have to do, therefore they died.
What do you think?
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Post by anniee on Apr 10, 2016 11:45:05 GMT
Horatio did have control of his life, but I noticed that he was still influenced by Hamlet, whom was seen as closest to Horatio in the story. Horatio appeared to be merely an ally for Hamlet in his revenge plot, a character without any personal problems of his own. Yet, in Act V when Hamlet was dying, Horatio wanted to commit suicide to follow Hamlet. He was only stopped by Hamlet, who convinced him not to die. Therefore, Horatio may have survived the royal family's conflict, but he easily could have died if Hamlet hadn't interfered. Hamlet was the key between life and death for Horatio.
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Post by Jonathan on Apr 10, 2016 12:28:01 GMT
I think that Horatio did not have as much control over his life as you explain. He did listen to Hamlet when Hamlet asked him to help him observe Claudius and they both agreed that Claudius was guilty due to his reaction to the play. But I agree with you that most of the other characters died because they were led by others, and Horatio along with Fortinbras were the only main survivors.
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Post by mayurika98 on Apr 10, 2016 14:26:05 GMT
This thought did run across my mind. Horatio was the most unaffected by circumstances that took place in the story. I'm sure he did make some choices that were not the best decisions. However, he did stay out of trouble. I believe that the others fell in trouble because they were manipulated by the other people in their lives.
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Post by melody on Apr 10, 2016 14:54:55 GMT
First of all, I am not sure if Ophelia really killed herself. The script only mentions that she was drowned either because of her intention or her heavy dress that she wore. But Ophelia did depend on her father and brother's opinions which she was very affected to other people's opinion. Horatio was the only survivor who remained at the end of the play. First, he tried to commit suicide and follow his lord Hamlet as he died. However, Hamlet commanded Horatio not to die and asked him to remain and spread his story to his nation. Horatio did so. Even though, Horatio was a modest and wise man, he indeed was affected by Hamlet's command on him (not to die). I think even though, Hamlet could control his own life, he would've still tried to revenge to Claudius. I think Hamlet did so because he was controlling his own life intelligently. I do think his deliberate plans have killed a lot of people including himself. However, it's not his fault that he brought the tragic incident. All the other contributed their own sins desiring about their own ambition. Therefore, I don't think the situation would've changed even though, Hamlet could control his life. Although, I do think Ophelia's life could've change a bit.
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Post by sunnyp on Apr 10, 2016 16:11:07 GMT
Maybe Horatio wasn't affected much by other characters because he was so selfless. He didn't get manipulated by the situation because he didn't think about his own need and wants. Horatio always was loyal to his friend and never expressed anger or hate towards someone. Other characters acted alongside their personal greed or comfort (Ophelia suiside in a way) but not Horiatio. Also these days, you see people not getting involved in situations and they're the happy ones. Buddhist monks are not exactly involved in the society and are selfless; they seem happy.
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Post by christopher on Apr 10, 2016 16:16:08 GMT
It's pretty interesting... I tend to think that Horatio is the only one surviving because he had self-control and did not get swayed by others. Other characters didn't accomplish so much. For example, Ophelia, though she has gone mad, couldn't resist herself from suicide and Claudius couldn't stop himself from pursuing his ambitions. I think it is important to stay selfless, self-controlled, and self-uncoolured. Though he almost died because of his loyalty toward Hamlet, Horatio survived the tragic ending.
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Post by Emily on Apr 15, 2016 12:25:52 GMT
I'm not sure if Horatio had as much self control as you mention. Hamlet convinced him a few times to do as he said, such as watching Claudius during the play to make sure he was guilty of killing Hamlet's father. He even offered to kill himself when Hamlet was about to die, just because he didn't want to leave Hamlet. His loyalty to his friends seemed very strong, and I think that played part in him staying alive to the end of the story. Also, he had no ill will towards any of the other characters.
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Post by Jooyoung on Apr 16, 2016 6:23:08 GMT
Although it is true that Horatio is one of the more rational character in there play, Horatio was definitely controlled by Hamlet will. For example, the only reason Horatio didn't drink the poison to follow Hamlet's death was because Hamlet orders him not to. If Hamlet wished Horatio to die with him, I personally think Horatio would have done so. Furthermore, he will be living rest of his life clearing up for Hamlet; to clarify what really happened in Denmark.
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Post by maysamyounis on Apr 16, 2016 8:48:10 GMT
Horatio's role in the play is minor and most critics agree that he is not developed beyond a character foil for the great Prince. However, Horatio serves two purposes central to the drama, and it is through these purposes that we can best discuss those qualities that make Horatio memorable. Horatio is was of truth. It is through Horatio that the actions taken by Hamlet and other characters gain credibility. He is the outside observer to the madness. Hamlet could soliloquize to no end, but it is his conversations with Horatio that ground the play in reality. Horatio believes Hamlet have permission to believe. He sees the Ghost and so we can believe that Hamlet has seen the Ghost.
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Post by jonah21 on Apr 16, 2016 10:39:48 GMT
I would say that Horatio was dependent on Hamlet. They were always together and, as many above said, even tried to follow him in suicide. His lack of self meant that he wasn't thinking for himself. To me, it seemed like Hamlet was doing everything for him. Hamlet explained to Horatio about the murder, the gravediggers, and much more, and Horatio accepted it. It's like Horatio was learning from those in the higher cluncool. I think that it also gives more emphasis to Horatio's character as we know that he's not part of the high cluncool.
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Post by toomuchchanmin on Apr 17, 2016 14:00:03 GMT
Well my trial character is Horatio, so I researched him up a bit. I think Horatio is probably the only rational person in the entire story. After all, he didn't get swayed by the tragedies that was happening around him. However he was a bit irrational when it came to Hamlet. Horatio did follow around what Hamlet did, no matter how cruel or bad it was. His blind loyalty amlost did kill him in the end, because Horatio was wiling to kil himself until Horatio told him to stop.
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Post by heesu on May 1, 2016 8:07:41 GMT
I think Horatio has less control with his life because his decisions or thoughts are relied more on Hamlet. I think author didn't put much focus on him because there are not that much information about him. The author focused more on main charectors rather than any other characters. He brought up with Horatio to show all the ending of characters. May be his purpose was to show it is dangerous to against depressed person.
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Post by jin794 on May 1, 2016 9:10:30 GMT
It seems like Horatio was one of the most rational character in Tragedy of Hamlet play. People argue whether Horatio was in more control or in less control. I personally think Horatio was under control by Hamlet. For example, when Hamlet told Horatio not to tell anything about the ghost appearance, Horatio followed Hamlet's order. Also, when Hamlet asked Horatio to look over Claudius's change of behavior during the play, Horatio did. This is reason that made Hamlet certain on Claudius's murder on King Hamlet's death. Moreover, I think Horatio was one of the survivor in this play because Hamlet did not order anything to drink the poison. I personally think if Hamlet told Horatio to follow his death, Horatio would follow Hamlet's order due to Horatio's loyalty to Hamlet or Horatio's different social cluncool (which makes him to follow Hamlet's order no matter what).
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Post by Tharu on May 1, 2016 10:29:48 GMT
Even though he survived until end the play, I think Horatio listened to Hamlet more than anyone. And he got influence by Hamlet too, especially when Hamlet told him to look at Claudius's behavior during the play and the acting insane part. The main reason I believe for Horatio to survive is because he didn't invlolve in major problems such as killing Polonius, remarrying etc. So he remained as a good character.
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