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Post by melody on Apr 10, 2016 15:00:00 GMT
As reading Hamlet, many people doubted if the father ghost has really existed or was just an illusion of Hamlet. However, as I analyzed the story, it didn't make sense when we uncoolume that the father ghost was just an "illusion".
If the father ghost was just an illusion of Hamlet, how could Hamlet know the exact way that his father was murdered? Hamlet shows her mother Gertrude and the king Claudius a play which eventually make them suffer from guilt. If the method of killing the father ghost wasn't right, would Claudius have really panicked with guilt?
In my personal opinion, father ghost really existed.
What do you guys think?
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Post by toomuchchanmin on Apr 10, 2016 15:17:22 GMT
Well I think most people's argument is that Hamlet is seeing a demon disguised as his father, not Hamlet having a delusional vision. Hamlet having a delusional vision is not correct for many reasons, mainly that Horatio and some couple of guards actually saw the ghost too. So there is little argument that the ghost is fake, so many accept that there was indeed a ghost.
However we don't know for sure that the ghost is evil or not. Horatio himself keeps asking this to the ghost at the beginning of the play. The ghost, if it was a demon, could have witnessed the father's death and wanted to use that to cause chaos in Denmark. Hamlet getting the truth was the catalyst for the story to happen, so if the demon's goal was actually to cause chaos, he succeeded.
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Post by heesu on Apr 11, 2016 14:42:16 GMT
I think there is father ghost, but real debate is that 'is he real King Hamlet or demond?'I think he is real King Hamlet because in the play the ghost finds out where is Gertrude's room and he knows how he got killed. The interesting thing is people believe how he got killed, but some people believe that is from the demond. If they thing the gost is demond then they have to figure out how King Hamlet got murdered, not believe what the demond said.
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Post by Emily on Apr 15, 2016 11:44:40 GMT
I also think that the ghost was Hamlet's father. It seems unreal that a demon would know so much about Hamlet and his father's death, so the only person with that knowledge is Hamlet. Also, the ghost mentioned not to hurt Gertrude when he first talked at the beginning of the play, and if it were a demon then it certainly would not have such sentimental feelings against a wicked human. Only a husband would say to protect his wife. So I think that the ghost was really Hamlet's father and just wanted his son to avenge his death.
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Post by Jooyoung on Apr 16, 2016 6:17:57 GMT
If the the ghost was truly King Hamlet, King Hamlet must be a terrible leader. By telling Hamlet to avenge his death, he is causing turmoil in Denmark, which may lead to downfall of the nation. He is putting his selfish desire over the fate of his nation. Therefore, I personally can't eliminate the possibility that King Hamlet's ghost was actually a demon in disguise.
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Post by jonah21 on Apr 16, 2016 10:38:36 GMT
I personally believe that the ghost was real in only the beginning. That would be how Hamlet knew about his father's death. And that put everything else that Hamlet did into action such as the play to get Claudius to feel guilt. However, I think that later on when Hamlet saw his father in Gertrude's room, the ghost wasn't real. It was just part of Hamlet's imagination and trying to get his mother to believe and help him. After all, she couldn't see him.
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Post by maysamyounis on Apr 17, 2016 4:01:02 GMT
I also agree with that Hamlet father as a ghost is real excited , After all, it is not only Hamlet who can see the ghost. In fact, he is not even the first one to see it. So it can't be just part of Hamlet's imagination.To me, the role of the ghost is to spur Hamlet into his dilemma. Without the ghost, it is hard to know how Hamlet would find out about what Claudius had done. The ghost gives him this information (and tells him not to tell) that really sets up the central tension of the play.
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Post by mayurika98 on Apr 17, 2016 4:15:59 GMT
Personally, the ghost and Hamlet have so much in common. Which can lead to me to believe that the ghost is indeed King Hamlet's ghost. However, a demon could have also disguised himself as King Hamlet and also studied the character of King Hamlet in order to convince Hamlet. As Joo Young said, I don't think it is likely of a good king to betray his country by putting his needs first. There are so many coincidences in this story that they might as well be all planned out. It may all be a plan devised by the demon.
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Post by jin794 on Apr 17, 2016 6:28:10 GMT
Hamlet has been in a state of melancholy by his father's death and has been disgusted with Gertrude's remarriage to Claudius. While Hamlet tells his friends on the battlements that the Ghost is "honest", he still wants real evidence that King Hamlet was actually murdered by Claudius. So when the players arrive at the castle, Hamlet gives them a scene to play that re-enacts the actual events of the day when King Hamlet died. If Claudius does not react, Hamlet will know that the ghost lied to him. When the brother pours the poison in the King's ear, Claudius seems very uncomfortable. Had the Ghost's story been a lie, the Claudius would not have reacted at all. It also important to remember that Elizabethans believed in ghosts, witches, demons, and etc.
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Post by timmy on Apr 17, 2016 9:31:03 GMT
I was hoping that someone wouldn't post something like this ^^
But anyways, I thought that the Father Hamlet may be an illusion, because he was an image that the young prince so desired to see. However, the prince knew that he couldn't meet him. And you say that this was not making sense in certain ways, because the king knew how he died. But when you think of things that way- nothing is logical, beginning with the part where ghost exist.
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Post by juliaj on Apr 17, 2016 10:05:59 GMT
I think the ghost existed in the beginning when it came to all of them because multiple people had seen the same thing. I also think that it didn't later on because only Hamlet saw it and so we can't be sure. He could have been very angry, thus causing him to be a little more prone to hallucinations.
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Post by Tharu on Apr 17, 2016 10:23:07 GMT
I agree with Julia, where she said that the ghost did exist in the beginning where he told the story of his murder. But the second time where Hamlet met him in his mom's room was kind of like a hallucination. Since nobody else in the room saw it but in the beginning everybody did this could be Hamlet's hallucination.
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Post by erickim on Apr 17, 2016 11:50:32 GMT
If that ghost was real, he must be a very bad ruler because by telling Hamlet to avenge his death, tragedy came to Denmark. Everyone except Horatio died so that probably gave Denmark's citizens a shock and put the nation in danger just for King Hamlet's avenge.
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Post by christopher on Apr 17, 2016 12:55:12 GMT
The ghost was real since everyone witnessed it in the beginning. However, only Hamlet could see it in Gertrude's bedroom. So Hamlet could have been imagining that the ghost was there. Also, the ghost could be a demon. If it was King Hamlet, why would he put his own desires before the kingdom? So it is possible that the ghost is a demon with evil schemes.
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Post by mohahaha on Apr 17, 2016 13:46:46 GMT
The ghost is real in both scenes that he appeared in, and I believe that King Hamlet was the path for Hamlet as a reminder to not lose track of it. When he appeared in Gertrude's room, he only connected to Hamlet, because I believe that since Gertrude betrayed King Hamlet to Claudius, which the ghost discusses about it with Hamlet, as she untrusted and the ghost didn't want to appear to Gertrude as a sign of betrayal. Therefore the ghost resembles Hamlet as a clock, reminding him to get vengeance to Claudius.
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