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Post by erickim on Apr 17, 2016 12:11:39 GMT
I just came up with a question related to Hamlet
To what extent do revenge and vengeance provide satisfaction?
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Post by christopher on Apr 17, 2016 12:58:22 GMT
I think it would depend on the purpose of vengeance. Hamlet's purpose of revenge was to kill the murderer of his father. If Hamlet succeeded in killing his father's murderer, then he would get satisfaction for achieving his goal. If there's no satisfaction of vengeance, then I think it is no longer about revenge but muncool killing for satisfaction.
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Post by kevv on Apr 17, 2016 13:35:21 GMT
I also think that it depends on the purpose of vengeance and revenge. For example in Hamlet, his goal was just to find the murderer that killed his father and take action in revenge however, it didn't flow that way and caused him to kill other people and himself as well. I also think that you won't be satisfied by taking revenge on other people. You would be scared on when the other person would be causing revenge to you which the revenge game will continue on forever unless someone dies. Even though when someone dies, someone else will appear to take revenge of that dead person.
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Post by ETypeRegymon on Apr 17, 2016 14:00:35 GMT
That depends on how much regret they are capable of feeling, or how much remorse they have. We can't tell with Hamlet since he died before he could contemplate what he had done, but he might regret it since he shook up the core of the kingdom he was about to rule. If they can ignore their regrets, they'll be very satisfied.
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Post by toomuchchanmin on Apr 17, 2016 14:05:18 GMT
Eric, you should have put more details in your discussion board, dear sir. At least make a paragraph, Anyways I think revenge will never satisfy a human, because humans can never be fully satisfied. The thing is, when we achieve what we want, we want more. If Hamlet did kill Claudius and survived, he wouldn't have been satisfied fully. He probably would have wanted everyone that is against him dead, just as he did with his 2 childhood friends that got killed in England.
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Post by Jonathan on Apr 17, 2016 14:11:36 GMT
I think that any sort of revenge or vengeance on another person will be very satisfying for the user, or why else would the person act out revenge? The whole point of revenge is to get back at the person for something that they did, and if the user did not feel angry, then there is no real purpose for revenge. If there is no satisfaction for revenge at all, then it would not be revenge; it would be just an act a person did.
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Post by graceyichen on Apr 17, 2016 14:36:57 GMT
I think revenge and vengeance can only provide satisfaction to the extent of a limited amount of time after the deed is done. It's kind of like, your whole life is focused on one goal, what happens when you've achieved it? Suddenly it's like, what now? Same goes for when you have gotten your revenge. Maybe you will have a long-lasting feeling of uncoolurance, for example if someone murdered your friend and that person is now dead from an electric chair or something...but as time goes on, that feeling will fade away. I don't believe a person will continuously feel "good" about their revenge after they've done it.
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Post by melody on Apr 17, 2016 14:39:50 GMT
I think that when someone is taking revenge on someone else for their own satisfaction, then that is a person being evil. We take revenge and take vengeance to find justice and to set things right in our mind and in moral terms too. There are situations where we don't have to take revenge because we don't feel the need to. Therefore, the situations that pressure us to take revenge drive us to act that way. On the other hand, satisfaction comes from many different things. We feel satisfied after we eat, after we shower, and most importantly, after we accomplish a goal. After we accomplish a goal, we feel satisfied because you worked hard to achieve something that you've always wanted. This is where the extent of satisfaction combines with revenge and vengeance. We plan and set the goal to take revenge when we are determined. Therefore, it's in human nature to feel satisfaction after achieving that goal of revenge.
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Post by toufiq on Apr 17, 2016 14:44:48 GMT
It depends on how much emotionally and psychologically that person was related to the situation. If someone lose something or someone important to them, the first reaction is anger towards the reason. So the idea of revenge gives them satisfaction by letting them feel that they are in the same pain as them right now. So it's all happening in a personal level.
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Post by sunnyp on Apr 18, 2016 1:11:22 GMT
It really depends on who you are. If you are a moral person with high conscience, you would feel guilty after killing the person that killed your friend after a while. If you don't have high morals, you will never feel guilt and that is when your satisfaction is high. I think revenge can be satisfying. Revenge is bad because it only brings bad results but if you know you're not going to regret it after 10 years, why not do it for your satisfaction.
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Post by maysamyounis on Apr 23, 2016 7:06:02 GMT
It’s so simple really, the problem of violence: Hurt people hurt people. The motivation is revenge, not because human beings are fundamentally evil, but because vengeance is part of the innate survival mechanics of a complex social species. The desire for vengeance is as old or older than humankind and to understand this complex and ancient response, we need to push aside our socially developed notions of revenge and look for its roots.
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Post by sangjoon on Apr 23, 2016 7:56:55 GMT
In my personal opinion, i do not think that all people do the revenge to feel satisfaction. I think revenge exists because most people want to hurt other people back as they got hurt and another revenge cause another revene and thats how revenge cycle goes on. I think it is kind of wierd to feel satisfaction by doing the revenge.
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Post by Jooyoung on Apr 23, 2016 23:15:21 GMT
As a human, you feel like same thing should be done to someone who harmed you or your loved ones. We don't want that person to walk free, we want justice to be done. Therefore, when we revenge, we get this satisfaction that we have served the person justice.
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Post by andrewcho77 on Apr 24, 2016 7:59:55 GMT
I think that if we do revenge there is no satisfaction. You will only get angry at that moment for a couple of days. If you know self-control and know how to forgive others then everything will be ok. I personally think revenge is not my type. You got to know when you forgive others even if they killed your family member. Holding a grudge will never make the situation good. So there is no satisfaction on doing revenge.
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Post by jin794 on Apr 24, 2016 10:22:26 GMT
People usually feel that same unfortunate things should be done to the person who harmed the other. For example, in real life, Karma refers to the spiritual principle of cause and effect where intent and actions of an individual influence the future of that individual. In Hamlet, Hamlet was seeking revenge for his father's death to kill the murderer, Claudius. People can say that Hamlet will gain satisfaction after revenge because he has achieved his goal. Moreover, people make their own decision whether they should seek for a revenge. If people do agree to do some action, they will get satisfaction from it because it was their decision to do it.
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