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Post by andrewcho77 on Oct 18, 2015 13:39:17 GMT
I guess I'll keep you guys up with the news like christopher did. CNN NEWS: edition.cnn.com/2015/10/16/us/michigan-sheriffs-sergeant-teen-shooting-lawsuit/index.htmlDeven was shot seven times by a police officer named, Jonathan Frost. Deven, 17 years old, flashed high beams to police officer. Then the police officer got out of his car and walked to Deven's car and asked Deven's driver license and registration proof of insurance. He was not coopering with the officer and the officer asked 7 times for his driver license and registration proof of insurance. Then he admitted that he didn't have his driver license and registration proof of insurance. He got out of the car and was recording the police. He was speaking to his phone. He got on the ground but the officer threw his phone far away. Then he got tased but the taser didn't work because the officer was close to him. Then the 17 year old got pissed and punched the police officer in the face. The police officer got pissed and used his gun and shot 7 bullets to the teenager. Whose fault is it? Should the gun rights in America change? I believe that the officer and the kid both did wrong. The 17 year old kid should of cooperated because the officer was asking question but Deven was avoiding it. The officer shouldn't have threw his phone because he had the right to film and speak. gizmodo.com/5900680/7-rules-for-recording-police Also the officer shouldn't have shot the teenager. Instead of using the gun, the officer should have used his force. I believe that gun rights should change in America because anyone can buy a gun if you're over 18 years old and kill a person. America should make a law that if you had a criminal record, you are not allowed to own a gun or something. There are a lot of gun shooting going around in American and it just scares me. |
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Post by erickim on Oct 18, 2015 13:50:37 GMT
Well.. in my opinion, this is that kid's fault. Yes the police men really did not have to kill Deven but you shouldn't resist or even throw any punches to a policemen. What actually caused this murder? It was Deven not being responsible. He did not follow the law nor rules. According to your writing, Deven did not cooperate with the policemen. Why didn't he? This was where policemen probably was getting pissed. Later, policemen throws his phone and tried to taser gun him which resulted Deven punching the policemen. In America, if you try to harm an officer, you are screwed and should get ready for a consequence. It is best to stay calm and follow what the police officer is doing not trying to do your own thing. Not knowing the laws is not government's fault but your fault.
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Post by graceyichen on Oct 18, 2015 14:05:04 GMT
I also think it's terrifying that anyone could own a gun in America. How is that safe at all? If someone really did shoot random people on the streets, there would be no way to avoid the innocent deaths because anyone can do that.
I can't believe a 17 year old died this way. People really need to stop uncooluming. I think people in power sometimes forget that the greatest reason they are in that position, is to bring good to society, not to repress people who need help. Of course, morality is difficult to demand from everyone, but I wish those who chose professions with duties that include helping others or maintaining good, like police officers, teachers, doctors...would really raise their standards.
I can't say who's fault it is. I agree that the teenager should have cooperated, because getting the police to ask your for your drivers license for 7 times before admitting is bound to annoy him, plus the recording... unless you met a nice cop, you kind of provoked his unnecessary temper yourself. I can understand the police's anger, I believe the teenager crossed the line several times, and the punching was unacceptable. However, letting emotions take over in the moment is the police officer's mistake. And seeing that he shot the teenager for 7 times, words cannot express how sad and shocked I am.
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Post by Jonathan on Oct 18, 2015 14:26:54 GMT
I'm not trying to protect the police officer for shooting the teen and killing him but the US puts the police in first of the line. As Andrew mentioned, the teen didn't cooperate with police officer and he even punched him in the face. It was overkill to shoot him but the officer did have to right to pin him down or something. Before we say that the gun law should change due to the police, we should our attitudes towards the police. However, I do agree that gun control is going out of control now in the States. There needs to be a new measure to prevent the shootings especially in schools and protect the citizens from getting killed.
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Post by toufiq on Oct 18, 2015 14:45:43 GMT
I really don't know how to react to this incident. I mean I'm literally speechless. I don't know who to blame. The teenager for not being cooperative? or the police not being able to keep calm and control over his anger? The law enforcement officers has a lot power under their belt no doubt because they need that. But till what point should they have the right to what to do with someone who doesn't follow the rule. I think the police officer shooting the guy was more of his personal grief because that guy punched him. But again I don't want to determine whose fault was that,you guys decide that. I am just really disappointed with these kind of things repeating everyday.
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Post by jin794 on Oct 25, 2015 4:00:10 GMT
I can not blame who's fault it is. It is true that teenager should have been cooperating; however, police officer should have been calm. When police officer provoked his anger was an unnecessary factor in this incident. This is a terrifying incident. It is frightening and surprising that anyone in the United States can have their own guns. This can be safe and not be safe depending on situations. According to Obama's statement on the shooting in Oregon, he mentioned how gun shooting incidents are frightening citizens and the world. The rate of people who died from gun shooting incident is greater than that of people who died from any accidents or any disasters. In the United States, if roads are unsafe, people fix them to reduce auto fatalities and if Americans are killed in mine disasters, people work to make mines safer. However, the notion that gun violence is somehow different, that how Constitution prohibits any modest regulation of how citizens use a deadly weapon, when there are law-abiding gun owners all across the country who could hunt and protect their families and do everything they do under such regulations doesn't make sense. People should think about how they can get their government to change these laws, and to save lives. Also, people are making a determination as to whether this cause of continuing death for innocent people should be a relevant factor in their decision.
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Post by sangjoon on Oct 25, 2015 4:35:06 GMT
I think the police officer was immature at that moment. Since teenagers are not grown up enough and still immature, it is some how that teenager's fault is understandable although he should not did that. However, police shoot him because anger. I think this happened because police have right to use his gun whenever he wants to use. I am pretty sure that police might regret after shooting.In conclusin, to prevent this kings of happening, the gun policy in united states should be change because police officers are also not perfectly mature to contoll themselves such as anger.
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Post by christopher on Oct 25, 2015 11:13:32 GMT
I feel like the police is being over-reacting. Why even shoot a gun on him? Surely the teenager was making the police in rage because the teenager was not cooperating at all. But a police officer should be patient and deal with the situation with his wisdom and use force as a last resort. He shouldn't have thrown the phone away because, like you said, people have the right to record with the purpose of recording 'evidence'. The teenager also did wrong because why drive a car without a car license in the first place? So both of them had some faults. There should be some prevention from the school that teenagers should not drive without a driver's license and police officers should use limited amount of force as a last resort. Most importantly, police officers should not take actions based on their emotion.
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Post by susansun18 on Oct 25, 2015 14:27:48 GMT
I agree with Topher, I also think that the police was being over-reacting. 1 punch = 7 gunshots ? It's true that he didn't cooperate the police but police should've try in a better and more peaceful way. It's like "Cat Mom" case, we cannot say whose fault this is, both of them have responsibility. Teenager should obey the police, and not doing anything illegal and police shouldn't shoot the kid even he didn't cooperate with him.
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