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Post by graceyichen on Apr 10, 2016 4:48:49 GMT
The point of a trial is not to tell the truth but to win. Is the courtroom a place of justice? I don't think so. Good lawyers make all the difference while the truth doesn't matter. This world is like a big distraction. Everything that's meaningful or worthy true praise and appreciation happen without anybody knowing. It's like we think lawyers and judges can bring justice, presidents can bring change, governments can be of service to citizens, but a majority of that isn't true.
What are your thoughts on a trial? Do you feel yourself lying and finding ways to manipulate evidence? Is that a good thing? Is that ok?
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Post by jin794 on Apr 10, 2016 8:51:11 GMT
Trial is basically defined as an equal justice under the law. I think the purpose of a trial is simply to reach a verdict. Wrong verdicts may be corrected at the appeal stage. At times individuals come into conflict with one another in spite of the system of laws. The reasons for conflict are varied. Laws do not cover every possible situation. Often the individuals involved do not know or understand the law. In certain cases an individual deliberately chooses to violate the law.
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Post by Jessica (Yeeun) Kim on Apr 10, 2016 9:36:10 GMT
Good lawyer never tells a truth of case, but it changes the truth in order to win. Majority of trials are not always take a place for people who are truly innocent. We usually ignore this situations by telling us “This is a reality.” I’m not sure about my feelings when I try to manipulate evidences just because I never have experienced, but I’m sure that I would feel a shame of myself.
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Post by melody on Apr 10, 2016 10:12:50 GMT
It is true that a lot of good lawyers hide about some facts of the defendant in order to avoid a worsen situation. I think a trial is a place where both the victim and the defendant can find their common ground. Therefore, the situations can be over generous to the defendant or over harsh to the defendant. Since, there's a lot of situations occurring like this, many people might think the trial is not a place where they could reveal justice and this can be actually true. I think we can find justice where the defendant gets charged of the crime and pay for their sin. However, trial is the place where the defendant and the victim deal about the defendant's weight on crime. Then, the victim will agree on the defendant's payment (and suffer). I think it's okay for the defendants to try their best on finding their ways to reduce their charge. It's because they've already committed a crime which they can't fix. That's the only way for the defendants to continue their life.
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Post by erickim on Apr 10, 2016 11:48:44 GMT
I do agree with your opinion Grace. Court room is supposed to be where justice needs to be done but depending on lawyers, they can hide facts and win the trail for either reputation and money. However, I think that Court room is a point where we all agree to be when a crime happens. Court room still exists in this world because it is the most fair place to be.
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Post by Emily on Apr 10, 2016 12:15:06 GMT
I agree with you that the courtroom is not really a place of justice. There are so many devious acts going on and lawyers have to do so much to make sure that their side wins, even though it means lying in court. There are many times when the guilty go free due to lack or evidence or other reasons, so where is the justice in that? Courts try to remain impartial, but that is impossible based on evidence provided.
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Post by sangjoon on Apr 10, 2016 12:34:32 GMT
I also agree with you guys. Especially, I have same opinion with eric. Court room should not be ruined by lawyer's good lies and umproperiate money or etc. Court room should be keeping the justice in order to make the justice society and reduce the crime. People should be scared of law and people should know that court rooom always find the truth.
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Post by Jonathan on Apr 10, 2016 12:39:32 GMT
Though sometimes they may not seem like it, the main reason for a court and trial is to provide a place of justice and safety for the people involved, whether the result is like that or not. Even though a guilty man may go free, it is not the court's fault, it would be the fault of the defendants who are guarding their clients. But because of this duel between defendants and prosecution teams, there are many times when people are not sure what the point of the trial is, whether or not proving the accused guilty or innocent or perhaps winning, as you said.
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Post by ETypeRegymon on Apr 10, 2016 13:41:57 GMT
I agree with jin that the purpose of a trial is to reach a verdict. Based on whatever the defense and the prosecution brings, the court needs to agree on what to do with the defendants, so they can take action. The longer it takes, the more it will be before the true culprit is punished, regardless whether it is the defendant or not. Take the examination of Sarah Good, where the court pushed for a guilty verdict just to have a scapegoat, someone to blame for what had happened.
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Post by toufiq on Apr 10, 2016 14:43:13 GMT
The concept of trial is really ironic to me because it's supposed to serve justice but instead it ends up with different types of loophole that is far away from justice. I remember Ms. Boyd says whichever team gets the evidence first and gets it confirmed first is accepted as an evidence. Even if the evidence given by the other team is true, and the previous one is false that doesn't matter. That really doesn't make any sense to me. So personally I think in the trial room, there is a little room for ethics. It's more about who can give the first strike wins.
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Post by kevv on Apr 10, 2016 14:48:18 GMT
I also think the purpose of trials are to win. For whatever reason it is..people only seem to care about the results of the individual put on trial. Because of this, lawyers tend to use any kind of evidence to win. It is also true that the team that wins will gain more money and because citizens only care about the results of the trial, they cheat. This isn't showing justice at all and it is unacceptable for sure..It would be better if court people can actually focus on proving the truth according to the law and the also the jury to give fair results instead of setting them free for money.
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Post by Jooyoung on Apr 16, 2016 6:30:58 GMT
Ideally, court room should be a place of justice and truth. However, it is sometimes impossible to reveal the truth without manipulation and lies. For example, Polonius ordered Reynaldo to spread false rumor to figure out the truth of his son. If Reynaldo approached Laertes's friends with honesty, its is very likely that Laertes friend will lie in order to cover for Laertes.
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Post by maysamyounis on Apr 16, 2016 8:56:31 GMT
Tha's right, The purpose of the trail to find the way to win, And we try to write anything us much we can to able to win. Even it is not truth. So basically in our life, the Lawer Job is to the defense about the issue. individuals involved do not know or understand the law. In certain cases, an individual deliberately chooses to violate the law. Also for example in my trail, I try to say that Hamlet his innocent because i did saw him in room want his kill my father.
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Post by mayurika98 on Apr 17, 2016 4:26:50 GMT
Ultimately in the court, only one side gets to leave with satisfaction. Perspective has a lot to do in the court because a piece of evidence that could be of no use to the defense, would mean the world to the prosecution. Being a lawyer I also learned that getting to hear the stories and perspectives of the witnesses changes how we present our case. If the witness is a strong minded person who is not open to suggestion we have to change our questions to get what we want out of them. In the end, we are trying to gather information that will help us win the case.
I feel like the system of bringing a case to the court started with a group of people who wanted to prove that their verdict was correct and so they left the victim on one side, helped the stronger side. Even with the witch trials, the witches had no chances of winning because the power was with the heads of the churches.
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Post by andrewcho77 on Apr 17, 2016 5:42:24 GMT
Yeah, I agree with grace. There are differences between cheap lawyers and expensive lawyers. Expensive lawyers will always lie and win the case. There is this movie, The Devil's Advocate, which a lawyer lies and always win the case. Later, even though other people thought it was clearly guilty but he always won his case as a lawyer. I don't think it is a good thing to lie to win. I hope humanity can make everything peaceful and not lie about their stuff. However, today there will be people who hire expensive lawyers and will always win their case.
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